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Parking in Honister Hts Adj to Riddlesdown Sch
Apr 21st, 2011 at 8:11am
 
Unfortunately due to technical problems the original message has been deleted. This is a copy of the posting on 4 Jan 2011:

"Following Croydon Council issuing parking tickets in the "cul de sac" section of Honister Heights at the Dunmail
Drive junction, we have heard that a local resident (John), has appealed to the Parking and Traffic Appeals
Service and has been successful in his appeal. In case anyone else has suffered and wishes to appeal, the case
number is 2100467149.

As a summary, (the full story can be seen in the October 2010 copy of The Recorder), a ruling was brought in
about 10 years ago, that a vehicle parked more than 50cm from the edge of the carriageway and not within a
designated parking space, could be ticketed. The Council told us, this was the reason vehicles were being
ticketed and that the vehicle on the inside corner was being boxed in. The RRA did advise the Council that we
believed they were incorrect in issuing tickets because of the previous appeal by Carr v LB of Haringey, which
was for a pretty identical situation.

Unfortunately any appeal has to be made to the Council within 14 days of the ticket being issued. If the
Council still believe an offence has been committed, then the motorist can appeal to the Parking & Traffic
Appeals Service.

By paying the fine at the outset, this admits liability, so there is no appeal option available.

We would like to hear if anyone else has been successful in appealing."
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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2011 at 8:15am
 
Unfortunately due to technical problems the original message has been deleted. This is a copy of the posting on 17 Jan 2011:

"In view of the appeal by the motorist John, the RRA have again taken the matter up with the Council of about
the parking at the end of Honister Heights to try and get further clarification from them.

The response from the Council is, “I can confirm that only when a complaint is received from a driver, that
they are unable to leave a space due to being blocked in, will we take action against a vehicle parked at the
end of a cul-de-sac. There is a debate about the 50cm (1m in London) rule and whether this should apply at
the end of a cul-de-sac. I would hope that logic dictates that we only deal with this if complaints are received
and leave other vehicles alone”.

Basically, what this is saying is, that any vehicle that is parked in the centre of the three spaces at the end of
Honister Hts could be liable to be ticketed (and possibly removed – cost to recover circa £250), if it is causing
the vehicle in the extreme south west corner to be blocked in (furthest away from the Dunmail Drive junction).
What could happen, is that you may park in the centre of the available spaces but at some time later, another
vehicle then comes and parks up tight to the corner vehicle and blocks it in. If the owner of the vehicle in the
corner returns to his or her vehicle and complains to the Council because they are boxed in, the Council
may/will come and ticket and if necessary remove the centre vehicle. This scenario could indeed be applicable
to the end of any cul-de-sac in Croydon and indeed London!

It is understood that in this case, and the case of Carr v LB of Haringey, that the corner vehicle(s) were not
boxed in, so hence the appeals were allowed.

Basically, the moral of this story is, beware if you have to park in the centre of these three spaces, as you
could be penalised by the actions of another driver !!
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