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PHIL THOMAS’ PLANNING REPORT -
A NEW BLOCK OF FLATS
...IF O2 MAST IS MOVED
Brian Longman and Phil Thomas
Following a Local Public Inquiry on 29-
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However, the Inspector has imposed a condition: ‘No part of the development hereby permitted shall be occupied until the telecommunications mast sited on the footway of Lower Barn Road adjacent to the site has been removed or moved to another part of the site.’ This will not only require the agreement of 02 but also planning permission.
It must be done within three years of the appeal decision – by 18 February 2012. We wait to see whether 02 will move the mast, as we understand that part of the reason for its current position is to provide a mobile phone service for commuters on the railway when trains are in the Riddlesdown tunnel. By moving it further back from the tunnel entrance, it will not provide this service.
All the other objections raised – the effect on the adjoining green belt, ecological
interest, proposed amenity areas, flooding, additional on-
What happened earlier
Last year Taylor Wimpey submitted a planning application to build twelve
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Wimpey lodged an appeal with the Secretary of State, to be decided at a public planning inquiry at the Town Hall in September. However a legal dispute between Wimpey and Purley Downs Golf Club, who had managed the land for 50 years, meant the inquiry was postponed. The ownership dispute was eventually settled in favour of the golf club.
The Association was disappointed with the actions of the club following this decision. Up until the time it assumed ownership of the small plot of land on a point of law it was, with the Association, against the development.
We understand that, at the golf club’s EGM in early October, members voted and agreed to actively encourage Taylor Wimpey to continue with the planning appeal – which is why it hadn’t been withdrawn. The club intends to sell the land to a developer/builder.
It is interesting how views can change when financial considerations arise. We have made our views clear: the golf club sought our help in opposing the application, and then submitted their own application after assurances that this would not happen.
At the January Inquiry both Brian Longman and local Croydon councillor Lynne Hale argued that the development was not in the interest of the local community. They were told that a survey on street parking, recently commissioned by the applicant, found that car parking in Lower Barn Road near the shops was not a problem and, apparently, that there were plenty of places to park. (Interestingly, the survey was completed before the double yellow lines were painted under
the bridge.)
The survey findings did not consider the large 15-
that the large new building and car park on the slope up to the golf course would
increase water run-
The Inspector seems to have agreed with all but one of these survey points even though
a late-
dispelled the argument that parking would not be a problem and access to the flats on the bend would not be an issue. You can read the full decision on our web site.
COMMUTER PARKING
Brian Longman and Phil Thomas
The last report raised the issue of commuter parking in the relatively narrow roads close to the station. To ensure we had an understanding of what, if anything, you wanted the Association to do, we distributed a simple tick box questionnaire with the last issue of the Recorder. Roads included in the survey were Lower Barn Road, Rydal Close, Barn Crescent, Dalton Close, Coombe Wood Hill, Hill Close, Riddlesdown Avenue and Brancaster Lane.
Parking schemes can be very contentious and this is not an area in which the Association can lead unless it has an overwhelming mandate from the residents involved. While the Association now has a better understanding of some of the issues involved, with only 36 of the 244 questionnaires returned we do not have an overwhelming mandate to proceed and therefore will not be taking this issue forward.
Before leaving this subject it might be worth mentioning just one of the comments
received. This was that some local residents drive only a relatively short distance
to the station and leave their car there all-
On returning after a big shop at a local supermarket the lady found the nearest she could park to her house was over 100 yards away. It then took her four long trips to the car to carry the heavy bags of shopping in. Most of us can understand her frustration at this situation.
Postscript: We did have some very interesting suggestions in the questionnaire responses!
For example, building a multi-
Parking in Lower Barn Road
Phil Thomas writes: While on the subject of parking, I would like to make it perfectly clear, despite some suggestions to the contrary, that the RRA did not request the Council to place double yellow lines in Dalton Close and Lower Barn Road near to the station.
Apparently the Council received a complaint from a resident in Dalton Close that lorries and the dustcart, emergency vehicles etc. could not enter or deliver to four houses at the back of Dalton Close because of parking, mainly by commuters.
The RRA did raise objections with the Council in March 2008, during the consultation period, about the double yellow lines returning into Lower Barn Road, at the junction with Dalton Close, as we believed parking would occur on the north side of Lower Barn Road and pinch parking could be a problem when such vehicles as lorries, ambulances, fire engines and dustcarts would not be able to pass through. However the Council ignored our concerns and laid the double yellow lines at the Dalton Close/Lower Barn Road junction, in June 2008. Within a few weeks, as we predicted, pinch parking became an issue through thoughtless commuters parking opposite one another in this narrower section of Lower Barn Road. On many an occasion, HGVs hooted their horns in frustration, because they could not get through the small gaps left by motorists.
We took up with the Council the problem they had created and Ward Councillor Lynne
Hale and my namesake, Councillor Phil Thomas (Chairman of Traffic Management), became
involved. As far as the Council were concerned, it was a Police matter, because obstructions
were occurring and only the Police can ticket and remove vehicles due to obstruction.
The Council then decided that further double yellows lines would have to be laid
on part of the north side of Lower Barn Road and on the south side near the four-
As I have said above, only the Police can issue tickets and remove vehicles causing an obstruction. There have been instances recently, where vehicles have been parked either immediately opposite or diagonally opposite, one another in other narrow roads like Buttermere Gardens, Dalegarth Gardens, Riddlesdown Avenue and Coombe Wood Hill. These at times have caused obstructions to large vehicles trying to pass through the
gaps left.
Sometimes it is not very easy for a large vehicle to turn around if the road is blocked and this type of parking can lead to some nasty aggressive confrontations. The moral of the story is: beware, if you park in a narrow road in Riddlesdown, that you or someone else don’t cause an obstruction. It may cost you a lot of money to get your vehicle back if it is towed away (at least £250 plus any daily storage charges). If you require any Police assistance in this respect then, depending on which Ward you live in, contact the Safer Neighbourhood Police Teams. For the Sanderstead Ward, the telephone number is 020 8721 2470 and for the Purley Ward, the number is 020 8721 2467. Any rapid enforcement action that comes within Croydon Council’s remit, such as a vehicle causing an obstruction on a yellow line(s), or if a vehicle is blocking the dropped kerb to your driveway or property, then contact the Council on 020 8760 1966.
PLANNING APPLICATIONS
As usual, all the planning applications in the RRA area are updated weekly on our website: www.riddlesdownresidents.org.uk
68 and 81 Westfield Avenue
As reported last time, a number of planning applications have been submitted for two back land developments in this road.
The first site was at No 81, which had two previous applications turned down by the
Council and one of them refused on appeal by the Planning Inspector. A third application
was submitted and the Council again refused this application for the erection of
a three-
The second location was at No 68 and was for a third application for a two-
30/32 St James Road
I also wrote last time about this site which is just outside our area but does back on to houses in Downs Court Road. The proposal was for the demolition of the existing buildings (Nos. 30 and 32), the erection of two,
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The Council refused the application and the applicants took it to appeal which the Planning Inspector dismissed on 18 November 2008.
29 Dalegarth Gardens
Three applications have been submitted over the last few years for some form of development
on this site, but all have been refused. The latest is for a detached three-
71B Mitchley Avenue
An application for a change of use for this new ground floor shop, which has recently
been built adjoining Saban’s Newsagents, was submitted in mid-
The application is expected to be decided by the Council before the end of March.
Former Sainsbury’s Store, Swimming Pool and Car Park, 52 High Street, Purley
In mid-
The new scheme, submitted by Polaska’s agents, Hyder Consulting Ltd, is for a new library, cinema, four live work units for use as craft shops, a cafe, car parking for 230 spaces (currently 424 spaces) and flats – possibly 286 dwellings but this maybe increased. There are no plans to replace the existing swimming pool and it is not clear whether there will be any parking for the new flats and where car parking will be provided during the construction period.
Polaska Developments, who took on the Head Lease from Sainsbury’s about five years ago, were due to refurbish the store but never proceeded with this work.
The full Environmental Impact Assessment can be viewed on the Council’s Planning website, typing in the full application number: 08/03428/DT. The Council decided in November that a full Environmental Impact Assessment was required and further details are awaited.
The Council’s plans for new swimming pools at Waddon, Coulsdon and New Addington
have all recently been thrown into doubt for a variety of reasons. The Purley swimming
pool is due to close in 2010 and together with the current run-
Tesco’s wind turbine
Whilst on the subject of Purley, Tesco submitted an application in late January for the siting of a 10.6m high (35 ft) wind turbine in the car park, just on the western side of the petrol station. This will mean the loss of four car parking bays (more parking lost in Purley!).
This six kilowatt turbine will just about be enough to boil a 3kw kettle and possibly also heat one 3kw immersion heater on a windy day! Bearing in mind that for many days in both winter and summer, the UK has high pressure over us and therefore very little wind, the turbine could be somewhat redundant. Also bearing in mind the amount of electricity consumed by the Tesco store, this turbine would only provide a very small fraction of their electricity. The blades are not of the conventional type of three or four blades protruding out from a central core but two sets of rectangular vertical blades, one on top of the other, set at 90 degrees to one another. It does look strange!
These wind turbines have now blighted many parts of the countryside and the majority are located in windy areas near the sea or on hills. Do Tesco really think this turbine will produce much electricity in a valley where their store is sited? I believe this is a publicity stunt by Tesco to try and prove their green credentials and their planning literature says this.
Will this turbine become a blot on the Purley landscape if the Council approve it?
Details of the turbine can be viewed on the Council’s Planning website -