REPORTS FROM THE RECORDER
PLANNING ADVICE ON
USEFUL LOCAL INFORMATION
(Things to do, join and help with)
AND ITS COMMON
PUBLIC TRANSPORT INFORMATION AND REPORTS
RIDDLESDOWN RAILWAY STATION IS IN LONDON TRAVELCARD ZONE 6.
UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES
One specification of the current Southern Franchise is that London Area Stations are to be staffed from the first to the last train. Riddlesdown Station was classified by Southern as part of the East Grinstead Line for this purpose. Now that it is recognised as a London Area Station, staff will be on site whenever trains are running.
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON TRAIN TIMES (SOUTHERN RAILWAY) Effective from 8 December 2013 until 17 May 2014; NOTE – MORE TRAINS ON SUNDAYS
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)): Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.43(LB), 07.06, 07.18(LB), 07.35, 07.48(LB), 08.06, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, then 36 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains 19.16 & 19.46).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until
20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38. To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown: Weekdays: 05.52, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23 and then 53 and 23 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, 10.23, 10.53 and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.03, 07.19, 07.55, 07.58, 08.25, 17.15, 17.44, 18.16 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown: Weekdays: 06.10, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.52, 08.09, 08.16 (to Hurst Green), 08.41, 09.11, 09.40, 10.10 then 40 and 10 mins past hour until 17.30, 17.41, 17.58, 18.11, 18.31, 18.41, 19.01, 19.11, 19.40, 20.11, 20.40, 21.10, 21.40, 22.10, 22.40, 23.10, 23.41, 00.05.
Saturdays: 06.40, 07.10 then 40 & 10 mins past hour until 23.41 & 00.04.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour until 20.10, 21.10, 22.10, 22.57.
Above information is taken from Southern Railway timetable. Effective from 8 December 2013.
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
LOCAL BUS ROUTE AND TIMES
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Full Timetable for 412, follow this link to Tfl website and insert 412 in Bus timetable
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway;
Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Did you know that can already use contactless payment cards to pay for travel on London buses? Later in 2014 you'll be able to use a contactless payment cards on Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London, as well.
What is a contactless payment card?
Contactless payment cards are debit, credit, charge or pre-
If you've got a contactless payment card but haven't used it yet, you might need to make a chip and PIN payment elsewhere before using it for contactless payments (including for travel).
For further details -
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Pensioners Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age (until 2010 the qualifying age was 60). At present it is 61 but will rise to 62 in 2013 (see web site for details of eligibility).
Validity London :
Outside London :
New 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that he will introduce a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1st November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass except that it will not be valid buses outside London except for London routes such as 166 and 405.
Transport Report -
A railway for leisure
At Riddlesdown Station we are looked after by Akil, Isaac, and Paul who provide an open ticket office from the first to the last train. Their good work, making travel from and to Riddlesdown Station more attractive, gave people more confidence to use the improved Saturday service from December 2011 with the previous four carriages twice an hour improved, giving a minority of trains still at four coaches, with most at six coaches and some in each direction at ten coaches, and far more pleasant journeys to and from Victoria.
More people are using the train for leisure, and not just the trains provided by Southern.
To the south of us is the Bluebell Railway (which lent its former Chesham Railway coaches for the 150 Years from the opening of the London Underground celebrations that took place in January). The Bluebell Railway has been an important leisure destination in Sussex for many years and its trains will serve East Grinstead from 23 March 2013. Reaching the Bluebell Railway by train is attractive and, subject to final clearance from Network Rail, our Sunday Service is (planned by Southern) to be improved from one an hour to two an hour between 09:41 and 20:41 northbound and between 09:47 to 22:47 southbound.
I have no information regarding the number of coaches on each train, but aware that Southern train crews have been heard to say that each hourly train should be eight coaches, I am looking forward to being pleasantly surprised on 19th May 2013, when the timetable changes.
We have been mentioning, to Southern the station being unattractive due to the quantity of litter behind the fences so I am pleased to report on clearance of bottles and cans.
There is at the moment a tremendous amount of railway infrastructure work taking place at many locations, with the Coombe Road (Croydon) Bridge Works, from 7 January 2013 for twenty weeks, randomly impacting on the 412 Bus Service as other drivers seek to compensate for the partial closure of the bridge. This is being monitored.
Transport Report -
Since my last report there have been many improvements to the infrastructure of the bus and train services we enjoy. Essentially there have been no changes to frequencies – just many improvements to make our travel experiences better.
Buses The changes to the bus stops have been completed. The bus stops needed to deal
with the change from a one to a two door access point -
Trains. There have been a number of background changes for our benefit which include:
installation of conductor rail heating systems, the Riddlesdown Station ticket office
staffed when trains are running (more staff time to clear snow and ice from the ramps
from street to platform level), longer trains (which has been gratefully welcomed
by our commuting residents), the announcement of an order being placed for 26 new
Please support our good bus and train services by using them, and commenting (perhaps as a Committee Member) to the service providers. There is still pressure on further improvements which include the former Cinderella line between West Croydon and Wimbledon, which has become part of the successful Tramlink System (that last year ordered six new trams for delivery this year); the car park at Upper Warlingham Station – that is expected to be increased in size next year; and since the introduction of new diesel stock to Uckfield, a passenger journeys made increase from around 110,000 in 2004 to around 335,000 in the year to 31 March 2009. Only time will tell whether Sunday services will increase to half hourly (one from East Grinstead; one from Uckfield) on Sundays or if the line to Uckfield is electrified.
UK Power Networks -
Croydon Council and UK Power Networks (UKPN) have advised that UKPN are looking to renew a 33KV power cable from Purley to Addington. The scheme is part of a larger investment programme UKPN are delivering over the next few years to ensure their infrastructure is fit for purpose. At the present time UKPN are looking to start these works in Whytecliffe Rd North and Penwortham Rd from 3 March 2014.
The first stage of the works will be from the Sub-
UKPN are working with Croydon Council to keep any disruption to a minimum. They will be working throughout the week and some weekends on the busier roads, to reduce the length of time the works will take. Access to all properties will be maintained and they will carry out noise and traffic management surveys throughout the scheme.
The majority of the works will be done in 50 – 100m lengths controlled by two-
The two exceptions to this are when Riddlesdown Road has to be crossed, where three-
Plan of Proposed Route -
Full Route Map -
If anyone requires any further information they can contact UKPN by e-
Lower Barn Road -
Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984; Section 14
Vehicular traffic will temporarily be prohibited between the flank wall of 108/110
Lower Barn Rd (the left end shop and flat -
Enforcement and Infrastructure Manager
Development & Environment Dept
LB of Croydon
Updated 11/3/14 -
Report from Croydon Council 11/3/14
The RRA have received a number of complaints and we have taken up with Croydon Council about the increased volume of traffic, in particular HGV’s, using some narrow streets in our area. This applies in particular to Riddlesdown Rd, Brancaster Lane and Coombe Wood Hill.
The Council advised the RRA on 11 March, that they are “currently working on the A22 being open mid next week,(i.e. circa 18/19 March) this is subject to completion of installing pipework to enable us to use a relief system to ease the volume of water currently going through the Bourne and to add resilience in the event we have another period of heavy or prolonged rain.”
Note: for vehicles travelling from the roundabout at the top of Rectory Park towards Purley (A2022) there is no access onto the Godstone Rd from Downs Court Rd. The RRA asked Croydon Council on 21 February to place warning signs at the roundabout, as we know large HGV’s (and many other vehicles) are travelling down Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd and then have no where to turn around at the Godstone Rd junction, and then have to divert onto Warren Rd, and Grasmere Rd, (which have 7.5 tonne weight restrictions) and Riddlesdown Rd. However they have not done this! There is also no advanced warning for traffic coming from the east (along Addington Rd from Selsdon) that there is no access onto the A22 at Purley, from Downs Court Rd/ Mitchley Ave/Rectory Park.
Centre Sections of Godstone Rd Now Open
There is now a access route open on Godstone Rd. Croydon Council reported on 23 Feb: “A centre section of the A22 Godstone Road is now reopen between St James Rd and Hayes Lane. Also open is the section between Purley Road (Tesco) and Foxley Hill Road. You can view a Google map of the open roads at” http://goo.gl/maps/3tqzO
Report from Croydon Council on 2/3/14
“The Council and its partners are working on a revised pumping solution which will
see a reduction in the number of pipes running on top of the road. It is envisaged
that a phased reopening of the A22 will be needed as there are a number of trenches
which will need to be dug to lower the pipes into. It is expected that the full reopening
of the road will be mid-
Report from Croydon Council on 27/2/14:
Why is the A22 Godstone Road still closed?
“The Godstone Road (A22) is closed to allow the pumping of the Bourne river via pipes running along the road. The pipes have created a bypass / relief system to allow water to flow through the valley to protect the treatment works and reduce the flooding currently experienced in Dale Road. Because these pipes reduce the width of the road they are a health and safety issue for motorists. Where the pipes run across the road, temporary ramps have been formed however these ramps can only accommodate light traffic flow. If the pipes are damaged this could compromise the work that is being done to protect the Kenley water treatment works and hundreds of properties in the area from flooding.
We are sorry for any inconvenience the continued road closure is causing you. We appreciate your continued patience and understanding as we try and protect hundreds of properties from flooding.”
Who is responsible for the road?
“Transport for London (TfL) are the Highway Authority for the A22 until it goes into Tandridge where Surrey County Council become the Highway Authority. Croydon Council, TFL and Surrey County Council are working collectively to manage the flow of water through the catchment area.”
There are a couple of official diversion routes:
For vehicles under 15ft 3” high -
Both South and North bound traffic should divert either onto the A23 at Purley Cross towards Coulsdon / Redhill and then use the M23 and join the M25 at J7 or continue on the A23 towards Redhill. At peak times there maybe delays on this route.
Full Traffic Reports for the London Area are available from the BBC London website
Also closed because of flooding as at 22 February, is Woldingham Rd from Wapses Lodge Roundabout to Halliloo Valley Rd junction. A signposted Diversion is in operation via Slines Oak Rd and Limpsfield Rd.
Route 412, Buses start and terminate at Purley Station and are unable to serve bus stops on Brighton Road, Purley Road and Godstone Road. The buses are departing from the rear entrance of Purley Station (Warren Rd side) and Southern Rail staff are allowing bus users through Purley Station. This scheme was implemented when first mooted by RRA Transport Committee member, John Rapp.
Route 407, Buses are diverted via Brighton Road, Purley Downs Road, Sanderstead Hill, Limpsfield Road, Tithepit Shaw Lane, Hilbury Road and are unable to serve bus stops on Godstone Road between Purley Cross and Whyteleafe Roundabout.
Route 434, Buses are diverted via Brighton Road, Old Lodge Lane, Burcott Road, Higher Drive, Northwood Avenue and are unable to serve bus stops on Purley Road, Foxley Hill Road and Higher Drive. Please check the TFL website for up to date information.
Harris Primary Academy Kenley
The School is now “open” but on a different site in north Croydon. Up to 360 children are being transferred daily by 8 coaches from the Tesco carpark, Purley to the Crescent School, Selhurst, Croydon at around 8.35am and return at about 4.15 pm. Further details on this link. The Tesco car park is likely to be busy at these times.
Parking & Shops
View map where parking enforcement is currently suspended due to the floods. The pavement parking ban along Valley Road, Oaks Road, Northwood Avenue, Beverley Road and St. James's Road on the other side of Godstone Road has also been suspended. Residents are asked to park their cars with two wheels on the pavement to improve access for residents traffic.
Waste and recycling collections
The Council are making their best attempt to collect the recycling and refuse as usual in the areas affected by the flooding. Please put your recycling / refuse out if it's safe to do so on your normal collection day. Collections for landfill will start at 6am and recycling will start at 6.30am.
Purley Oaks Household Reuse & Recycling Centre: This facility remains closed whilst pumping continues from the balancing pond adjoining the site and alternate Household Reuse & Recycling Centres at Factory Lane and Fishers Farm are available during normal opening hours for residents to take their unwanted household items and recycling materials.
Kenley Water Treatment Works
Flooding is now under control at the Sutton and East Surrey Water, (Kenley Water Treatment Works) in Godstone Rd, that supplies 46,000 homes in our area. S&ESW say they have contingency plans in place to maintain water supplies to us even if the have to shut down the Kenley Treatment Works. An update from Sutton and East Surrey Water Company website Current Works
Cross agency works as at 24 February: Flood relief works are taking place in Tandridge
and Croydon -
Why is there flooding? The Caterham Bourne and the water table
The Caterham Bourne is located to the south of the borough running along the A22 corridor in Whyteleafe, Kenley & Purley Town Centre, then runs along the Brighton Rd to Waddon and into Broad Green Wards as it makes its way into Wandle Park and then into the River Wandle. Most of it is hidden in underground culverts but it is visible by Bourne Park in Kenley, in front of the Harris Primary Academy Kenley (formerly Roke School) and as the “pond” beside Purley Oaks Recycling Centre. This is the reason that sandbags have now been placed around this “pond” and a number of pumps are in operation there, to try and prevent flooding at this location because water levels are so high. The water is being pumped into the underground culvert that runs along the Brighton Rd towards Croydon.
The intense rainfall received over the past three of months, (220 mm of rain in January alone), has saturated the ground causing the flow of the Bourne and the water table to increase significantly.
The water table is usually 25 metres below ground during the summer months and is
the boundary between water-
An area's water table can fluctuate as water seeps downward from the surface and as a result surface water flooding is being experienced along the low lying parts of the valley. In particular the Bourne Park Close recreation ground and adjoining open space heading toward the Kenley treatment works up to Bourne View.
An interesting history of the Caterham Bourne can be found on the “Bourne Society” website. It is titled “A celebration of the Bourne” (click on the next link at the bottom right side of each of their pages, to continue the story: Link