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UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit.
Times below are from 21 May 2017 until 9 December 2017. Residents are advised to check and confirm times with Southern Railway or National Rail.
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)):
Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.42(LB), 07.02, 07.11(LB), 07.35, 07.46(LB), 08.04, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, 09.36 then 06 and 36 mins past hour (except the 17.37) until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains at 19.16, 19.46 & 20.16).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 36 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until 20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38.
To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 05.47, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23, 09.54 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 22.23, 22.54 (Mon to Thurs) 22.53 (Fri only), 23.23, 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, 10.23, 10.53 and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.03, 07.18, 07.50, 08.24, 17.13, 17.45, 18.17 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 06.06, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.50, 08.09, 08.41, 09.11, 09.41, 10.11, then 41 and 10 mins past hour until 16.40, 17.10, 17.30, 17.42, 17.58, 18.11, 18.31, 18.43, 19.02, 19.11, 19.41, 20.10, 20.42, 21.10, then 41 mins and 10 mins past hour until 00.16.
Saturdays: 06.41, 07.10 then 41 & 10 mins past hour (except the 09.11) until 23.41 & 00.07.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour (except the 11.11) until 21.11, 22.10, 22.57.
Major changes to late night trains from Victoria due to overnight engineering works from Monday 22 May 2017
The main change will be that no services from London Victoria will run between 00.06 and 04.24 on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays or Sundays.
The last train from Victoria to East Croydon will be 00.05.
The following late night trains from Victoria are cancelled from Sunday night/ Monday morning to Thursday night/ Friday morning.
They will still run on Friday night/ Saturday morning and Saturday night/ Sunday morning.
00.14 Victoria to Clapham Junction, East Croydon, Purley Coulsdon South, Redhill and Gatwick Airport. Cancelled
00.16 Victoria all stations to East Croydon -
00.42 Victoria all stations to East Croydon -
The 01.00, 02.00, 03.00 & 04.00 Victoria to Clapham Junction, East Croydon, Purley and Gatwick Airport -
The last connecting train from London Bridge is 00.12.
Some Thameslink services will also call at Purley during the night between midnight and 05.00
There will be a connecting bus from Clapham Junction to East Croydon at 00.21, 01.09, 02.09, 03.09 & 04.09.
These changes are expected to last until at least December 2017. During these hours, passengers will be able to use their Southern tickets on Thameslink services from London Blackfriars or St Pancras International to travel between central London, East Croydon and Gatwick Airport or Brighton.
Please check with National Rail enquiries, or Southern Railway or Tfl as on some nights due to Engineering works, these train might start from London Bridge.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
Information received from Network Rail about noisy engineering works from 4th to 6th October (23.30 hrs to 05.30hrs).
Delay Repay 15 -
Regular Southern Rail commuters will probably be aware of this compensation announcement, but occasional users may not.
From Sunday 11 December 2016, customers on Southern will be able to claim Delay Repay if their train journey is delayed by 15 minutes or more instead of the current 30 minutes (except when delays are caused by planned engineering work). It might be a hassle but at least you can get a refund!
Under ‘Delay Repay 15’ passengers will be able to claim 25% of the cost of a single fare for journeys delayed between 15-
Find out more on this Southern link
Update 16/8/17 Information from the Thameslink Programme
Changes to Cannon Street station during August closures
“Between Saturday 26 August and Saturday 2 September, there will be no Southeastern services to or from London Bridge, Waterloo East and Charing Cross while Network Rail continues to rebuild London Bridge station and the surrounding railway, as part of the Thameslink Programme. There will also be no trains at Cannon Street on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 August.
Fewer Southeastern trains will be running to and from London and those that do run will be much busier than usual and diverted to other stations, including Victoria, Blackfriars, Cannon Street and Waterloo. Thameslink and Southern services to London will operate as usual but are expected to be much busier.
During the four working days affected by this work, Tuesday 29 August – Friday 1 September, Cannon Street station in particular will be exceptionally busy as more passengers will be using the station than usual.
During the evening peak, two queuing systems to enter the station will be in operation. One will operate on Dowgate Hill and the other will be outside the front of the station.
This means you will need to leave more time for your journeys. It may not be possible to board the first train to a destination on arrival at the station. Journeys may be more comfortable if travelling before or after the evening peak.
For more information on the August closures, please visit our website, where you can get station-
Changes to London Bridge station after August closures
There will be some operational changes at London Bridge station from September to December 2017, after we open platform 6 to allow more Charing Cross trains to call at London Bridge.
Until December, platforms may feel more crowded than usual and you will be requested to remain on the concourse until your service is announced. While we have robust plans in place to manage this, it may be preferable to travel from other London stations in the evenings, where possible.
Safety of passengers remains our number one priority. We’re working hard to minimise disruption to passengers until this extensive work is finished in 2018. This is only a temporary measure while London Bridge remains a work in progress.
Ticket acceptance changes from Sunday 3 September
From 3 September, Charing Cross trains that are currently unable to stop at London Bridge during peak times will once again be able to call, following the completion of the upcoming improvement work at London Bridge.
Therefore, interim ticket acceptance and automatic refund arrangements for the Tube and buses will be partially withdrawn. Changes vary by train operator. Journeys via the following Tube stations and bus routes will no longer be automatically refunded: •Southeastern – Southwark, Waterloo;
•Southern – Charing Cross, Embankment, Southwark, Waterloo; bus route 15
•South West Trains – London Bridge, Southwark, Waterloo; bus routes 381 and RV1
•Ticket acceptance for Thameslink customers remains unchanged until January 2018.
For more information, please visit www.ThameslinkProgramme.co.uk/changes-
Thank you for your patience and understanding.”
Summary about redevelopment until 2018
December 2014 to January 2018 -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
The RRA have been made aware of the London Bus Users’ Online Community, an initiative set up last year by London TravelWatch that aims to give bus passengers a stronger voice. In view of the recent poor performance of our 412 bus service (or other routes), residents may want to voice their concerns?! If you want to find out more please follow this link.
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Changes to train fares and Oyster/Contactless from 4 January 2016.
Oyster and contactless can now be used at stations from Riddlesdown (change at East Croydon), Purley and East Croydon to Gatwick airport (including Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill and Merstham) as well as within virtually all stations in London. Further details on this Tfl link
However groups of three or more people travelling together may still find it cheaper to buy a paper ticket. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now travel free on National Rail in the zones as they do on the buses and Underground. Unaccompanied children will still need to have an appropriate Oystercard or buy a paper ticket. Tfl link
Other children can also travel free and others at a discount with an Oyster Zip card. For information on how to apply for an Oyster Zip card for children Tfl link
Since 16 September 2014 you'll also be able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London. Further details on this Tfl link
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
Updated 26/8/17 -
Further to the update below on 11 August, we have received some more information from the Council about these proposed gas works.
We have been told the works will not commence on 4 September. This is the date mentioned in the Council's official notices (below). The Council have advised that Buttermere Gdns works have been signed off to commence on Monday 9 October 2017 and will run until 22 December 2017 (11 weeks). A one way working (access from Mitchley Ave only via the “down side” by the island green) will operate. Parking restrictions to Buttermere Gardens will be put into place. Dalegarth Gardens will be used as the alternative route for access onto Mitchley Ave (as well as Ingleboro Drive). The RRA have seen the proposed plans and we have raised a number of comments/concerns to the Council and we are waiting a further reply from them.
The works to Derwent Drive, Grisedale Gardens and Grisedale Close will commence after this and run until April 2018. However, works to these three streets have not yet been signed off by the Council. We are told that SGN will letter drop all affected residents and there will be local drop in sessions before the works commence for residents to ask questions. We will update more in due course when we receive further information from the Council. However this is unlikely to be before 6 September as the Council Officer dealing with this is currently on holiday!
New 11/8/17 -
Information below is taken from the Croydon Guardian (9/8/17), in the Council’s Official notices section. This will obviously also have an impact on the Collegiate traffic for the one way working!
Fiveways Waddon -
A public consultation has begun on proposals to radically transform Fiveways in Waddon (A23/A232/B271). A similar type of scheme (with flyover) was proposed in March 2015 but this was rejected.
Public comments are being sought by Tfl and Croydon Council on a number of major improvements proposed for the area, which includes new junction layouts to reduce congestion and to make the road network safer. The consultation on Fiveways will run until Monday 18 September 2017.
Public exhibitions will be held at Waddon Leisure Centre, Purley Way, CR0 4RG on:
Thursday 20 July – 16:00 to 20:00
Saturday 29 July – 11:30 to 15:00
Saturday 12 August – 11:30 to 15:00
Thursday 7 September – 16:00 to 20:00
There will also be one at St George’s Church Centre, Barrow Road, Waddon, CR0 4EZ on Saturday 9 September – 12:00 to 16:00
Subject to the results of the consultation, work to transform Fiveways Croydon could begin in summer 2020. It would be funded by Croydon Council, TfL and through the Mayor’s Growth Fund. For more information on and to respond to the plans go to this Tfl link;
The RRA reported in early April to the Council about the damaged flekta bollards on the central reservations in Mitchley Ave (at the Coombe Wood Hill junction and also the Dalegarth Gdns junc) and we are pleased to report the Council have now renewed these three damaged bollards.
We also raised with them about the filthy condition of the remaining yellow facing sections on other bollards in Mitchley Ave & Rectory Park (and also Borough wide) and we have had this response back: "We have a cleaning programme over the spring and summer months concentrating on A and B class roads, so hopefully you will see a difference over the coming months."
Croydon Council’s Traffic Management Committee on 9 May 2017 agreed to implement 20 mph areas to all streets in Areas 3, 4 & 5 in Croydon except mainly Class A & B roads (where mot accidents and injuries/fatalities occur), despite many objections from the public (Riddlesdown is in Area 5). Officers recommended approval in their report to Councillors but the Labour Councillors agreed with the Officers. The Conservatives voted against the implementation of the scheme.
It was part of the report by Officers (Annexe 3) that some streets in our area might stay at 30 mph (i.e. Riddlesdown Rd, Mitchley Hill and Purley Downs Rd), and others could change from 20 to 30 mph. However it has been confirmed by the Council that the suggested changes put forward by Officers (from 20 to 30 mph and some 30 to 20 mph) to the TMA Committee were NOT approved. This means 30 mph (or 40 mph on some sections of the A23) will only apply to most Class A or Class B roads only. In the Riddlesdown area, this will be 30 mph only, on the A2022 (Downs Court Rd, Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park only. All other streets in our area will be 20 mph. The Committee papers are on this link. Scroll down to Item 7.
In total, 3,357 people objected, (with 103 in favour) and in a combined total, there were 18,862 objections with the various reasons why the scheme shouldn't be implemented for Areas 3,4 & 5. The “in favour vote” was low because the Council said it was a presumption in favour of the scheme, unless they received many objections. However, they would not say previously, how many they would accept as to the number of objections.
No mention was made in the report about the way the consultation process was undertaken, with residents unable to either support or object to the scheme; i.e a vote, which the seven southern RAs had raised, and also no mention was made of Councillor objections.
The Conservatives did have this TMAC decision "called in" as not being democratic on the consultation process, and requesting the Council act on what residents have said in their objections. This was put to the Scrutiny Committee on Wednesday 24 May 2017 but it was rejected by that Committee.
It is expected all areas will be covered by 20 mph before May 2018. However, the RRA understands the whole consultation process could now be the subject of a legal challenge, by a local road transport group. We will update further if we hear anymore about this.
More information is on the Croydon Council’s website
The RRA have been made aware of yet another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave at 6am on Sunday 30 July. We are told that two cars coming down the hill were involved and possibly the second car went into the back of the first car. The Police did attend. Yet again the road was wet, with heavy rain overnight Sat/Sun! This is now the sixth accident since November 2016, on this bend and all in the wet!
We have again written to the Council and made them aware of this latest accident and asked them when further works are to be done to make this section of road safe. Our e-
We were advised on 17 May, following a written question from Ward Cllr Tim Pollard to Cabinet member Cllr Stuart King and Stuart King replied;
”I have asked our engineers to consider the introduction of anti-
We have also raised with the Council about the following items/repairs that are required:
We will advise when we get a full reply!
Yet again there has been another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave on Sunday evening (30/4/17), when the road was again wet (red car in photo)!
We are told this is now the 5th accident in this vicinity since November 2016. Three accidents have been in the wet, with motorists coming down the hill and losing control on the bend. Two accidents have occurred on Mitchley Ave going towards the hill in Rectory Park because of parked vehicles near the bend (silver car in photo is one accident). Accidents close to the bend also seem to be happening more regularly because of parked vehicles on Mitchley Ave.
The RRA have had a lot of e-
The RRA have written to the Council again after this latest accident, to highlight the serious issues here (there have been numerous accidents on this bend and closeby over the years) and we hope they will do more road safety works soon, before a motorist, passenger, or a pedestrian is killed. Cllr Tim Pollard (Sanderstead Ward Cllr) has also now raised a Council question (2/5/17) about the safety on this bend with Transport Cabinet Member, Cllr Stuart King and asking him to intervene.
The Council have also told us they have not managed to secure funding from Tfl to resurface both Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park this year. So we are going to have to put up with all the ruts and rough road surfaces on these two stretches of road!!!
Photos below courtesy of Veronica Roadnight.
Yet another road traffic collision occurred on 16 November at 6.30am, in Mitchley Ave on the bend with Rectory Park
It was raining again at the time and most incidents seem to occur here, when raining. Yet again a vehicle has come down the hill of Rectory Park and lost control on the exit and taken out the lamp column (for the second time in 3 months) by the woodland about 75 metres after the bend.
Photograph above courtesy of Helen Leonard
Following this latest accident, the RRA have had extensive correspondence with two Council Officers since (copying in local Councillors and Cllr Stuart King the Labour Cabinet member responsible for Transport and Environment and Riddlesdown Collegiate). Cllr King has responded that he will take this up with the Director of Streets at his next briefing with him.
The RRA made a number of suggestions to Officers, which included improving the road signage, laying an anti skid road surface just before, on the bend and just after, installing an Armco barrier to protect pedestrians and additional chevron boards. Repositioning the lamp column damaged twice now, and additional road markings were another request. We also pointed about a number of other road defects locally.
The Council Officers have rejected virtually all our suggestions! They did say they have made a number of additional safety measures at this bend over the years.
However, Officers have said they will look to install another “SLOW” road marking just before the bend, and installing white marked dragons teeth on the road, to highlight the danger ahead, look at the signage, and check on the condition of the road markings. Something, but overall not a good result and the RRA will keep pressing the Council on this. In the meantime, if any other further incidents occur here, please post it on our Facebook page and with photos if possible (or e-
Regarding the speed camera further along in Mitchley Ave (near the shops) we have been told this is to be replaced soon. Safety cameras are controlled and maintained by the London Safety Camera Partnership (LSCP), which is made up of Transport for London (TfL), the Metropolitan Police and Her Majesty’s Courts Service (HMCS). The LSCP have informed Officers that the safety (speed) camera was removed following damage caused by vandalism, as well as all the road speed sensors being removed when the section of road by the camera was re-
The Highways Agency have introduced these HADECS 3 speed cameras on the M25 since May 2014, within their "SMART" motorway system (where the hard shoulder is now used). The other type, more usual on motorways; HADECS 2 cameras are mounted on overhead gantries above each lane on the motorway and are now operational on all parts of the M25.
The HADECS 3 cameras are on the side of the motorway and cover all 4 lanes (usually beside an overhead gantry). Principally they are to enforce the variable speed limits. However there are two in particular on the M25 about 2.5 miles after Clacket Services (anti clockwise) and like wise about 2.5 miles before Clacket on the clockwise section, which are flashing above the 70mph speed limit! Kent Police enforce these cameras on both sides of the motorway, east of Clacket Services.
There is another camera on the anticlockwise stretch about 2.5 miles before Clacket (and 2.5 miles after Clacket on the clockwise side) which is enforced by Surrey Police.
There are none of the white markings on the road to give any warning, as they are not required for this new type of camera. There are also reports of some motorists braking hard when seeing it flash for vehicles in front! They are also quite distracting at night when flashing on the opposite carriageway on this unlit section, as they flash across the motorway.
They are also now on other parts of the M25, M1, M4, M11 and M6 in places and will be soon on the M3. Be warned! Post Note 2017 -