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UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
One specification of the current Southern Franchise is that London Area Stations are to be staffed from the first to the last train. Riddlesdown Station was classified by Southern as part of the East Grinstead Line for this purpose. Now that it is recognised as a London Area Station, staff will be on site whenever trains are running.
Southern Timetable below is from 17 May 2015 to 12 December 2015.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern or National Rail. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of this information.
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)): Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.42(LB), 07.02, 07.11(LB), 07.35, 07.46(LB), 08.04, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, 09.36 then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains at 19.16, 19.46 & 20.16).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.37, 08.06, 08.37, 09.06 and then 37 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until 20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38.
To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown: Weekdays: 05.47, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23 and then 53 and 23 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.23 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.02, 07.18, 07.50, 07.55, 08.24, 17.13, 17.44, 18.17 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown: Weekdays: 06.06, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.50, 08.09, 08.16 (to Hurst Green), 08.41, 09.11, 09.41, 10.11, 10.41, 11.11, 11.40, 12.11 then 40 and 11 mins past hour until 15.41, 16.11, 16.40, 17.10, 17.30, 17.41, 17.58, 18.11, 18.32, 18.43, 19.02, 19.11, 19.40, 20.10, 20.40, 21.11, 21.40, 22.10, 22.40, 23.10, 23.41, 00.07.
Saturdays: 06.41, 07.11 then 41 & 11 mins past hour until 22.10, 22.41, 23.11, 23.41 & 00.07.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour until 20.10, 21.10, 22.10, 22.57.
Above information is taken from Southern Railway timetable from 17 May to 12 December 2015. Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information. Please check Southern timetable below:
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
Engineering work is taking place on many sections of the Southern rail network (including Riddlesdown) mainly at weekends, but some late evening services have been cancelled, up until Christmas/New Year. Some train times have also been changed. Check for engineering works on this Southern link or the National Rail journey planner
Christmas Engineering Work 2015 – Advance Notice
Because of engineering works, the London to Brighton Main Line will be closed from 23.00 hrs on 24 December to 04.00 hrs on 4 January 2016 at Purley to allow for the renewal of a junction, track and bridge works (the Old Lodge Lane bridge is being replaced). No trains will run between East Croydon and Redhill and a bus replacement service will operate.
A replacement bus service will operate between East Croydon and Redhill / East Croydon and Caterham / Purley and Epsom (via Tattenham Corner). Additional services will run between London and East Grinstead connecting into replacement bus services towards Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges. Journey times are expected to be increased by over 60 minutes.
Trains will run between Bedford and London St Pancras International or East Croydon and then between Gatwick Airport and Brighton. Passengers should use Southern services to travel between East Croydon and East Grinstead to connect with buses between East Grinstead and Gatwick Airport.
It is not yet known how Gatwick Express are affected by this engineering work.
Planning your Journey
These changes are not currently shown in the National Rail Enquiries Journey Planner, please check back nearer to the time of travel.
Although this will not directly affect Riddlesdown trains, it is possible that additional passengers may use the services to and from East Grinstead. More trains will be running on our line.
Further information on this Southern link
Summary about redevelopment until 2018
From 5 January 2015, Southern's access into London Bridge reduces from six to three tracks. As a result, there will be changes to Southern services from that date.
From 12th January 2015 until August 2016, Southeastern services to and from Charing Cross will not call at London Bridge. Southern passengers who normally use Southeastern services to Charing Cross and Waterloo East from London Bridge can take Southern services to Clapham Junction and change to South West Trains services to Waterloo for Waterloo East and Southeastern services from Waterloo East.
Southern passengers who normally change at London Bridge for Charing Cross services will be able to use their London Terminals Rail ticket on the following Underground and bus routes without being charged. Further details on this link to Southern Railway.
December 2014 to January 2018 -
From “26 July 2015, Gatwick Express and Southern joined Great Northern and Thameslink to operate under one company, Govia Thameslink Railway.
The people and staff you deal with hasn’t changed and the brands you’re familiar with of Southern, Gatwick Express, Thameslink and Great Northern will stay the same.
In fact, please rest assured: you won’t have to do anything different to continue travelling with us – tickets, stations and trains do not suddenly change on day one.” Further information on this link to Southern Railway
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
A LARGE INCREASE IN THE PRICE OF OFF PEAK TRAVELCARDS AND OFF PEAK OYSTERCARD FROM 2 JANUARY 2015
This is the advice from the East Surrey Transport Committee, which the RRA are represented on by John Rapp:
From 2 January 2015 there has been a complete change to the prices and validity of Travelcards and the Peak and Off-
The Peak all zones one day Travelcard remains at £17 valid from 04.30 to 04.29 the next day.
Oyster Capping :
The present peak and off-
This will apply to Contactless card as well.
Last July London buses went cashless and you can only use a bus with a Travelcard, Oystercard or a contactless bankcard.
New Bus & Tram Pass :
A New one day Bus &Tram pass costing £5.00 valid from 04.30 to 04.29 the next day. They can now be purchased from railway stations in the zones & Tram ticket machines (a paper ticket). Also from and ticket shops (a one day Oystercard) on the day or in advance.
The East Surrey Transport Committee, which the RRA are a member of, have written to London Mayor Boris Johnson complaining about this rise of 34% for off peak Travelcards and 38% on the off-
The best solution appears to be, instead of using Travelcards, is to use Oyster or Contactless Bank Card where the daily cap will be £11.70 for both peak and off peak travel.
Since 16 September 2014 you'll also be able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this Tfl link
What is a contactless payment card?
Contactless payment cards are debit, credit, charge or pre-
If you've got a contactless payment card but haven't used it yet, you might need to make a chip and PIN payment elsewhere before using it for contactless payments (including for travel).
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Pensioners Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age (until 2010 the qualifying age was 60). At present it is 61 but will rise to 62 in 2013 (see web site for details of eligibility).
Validity London :
Outside London :
More information http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-
New 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that he will introduce a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1st November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass except that it will not be valid buses outside London except for London routes such as 166 and 405. Further details from the Tfl website
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
April 2014 by John Rapp
Thank you to our commuters who helped to make Clare Williams, the Southern Manager of Riddlesdown Station, welcome when she visited for a Station Walk on 12th December.
This was an opportunity for Committee Members to show her areas of concern. The service had not been good for a few days before, and it was again bad on that day, and Clare took away improved knowledge of many passengers’ concerns.
East Croydon, Victoria, and London Bridge, our three main destination stations, continue to have a building site feel. While 2018 is the target year for completion of the works in the last two stations, I do not have a date for East Croydon’s completion, where improvement tasks start and end each month. The latest task is the installation of middle handrails for bridge stairs to platforms three and four & five and six, with measurements being taken on 2nd April. The other set of stairs, which is temporary and narrower, will not receive a centre handrail because it is planned that at some time in the future platforms one and two will be moved to give space (extra land need is secured) for two further platforms.
We continue to have dialogue regarding the 412 bus service with Transport for London (which arranges the provision of bus services using bus operators) and Arriva the operator of the 412 service. I am hoping to receive factual information -
Residents who use the A22, Godstone Rd between the St James' Rd junction and the Secom building near the Harris Primary Kenley School (Roke), may have noticed the lack of central white lines on this recently resurfaced section of road – (see photos below from Google street view, before and after).
These central white lines have also not been replaced on the Brighton Rd, (A23) between the Old Lodge Lane junction and the Coulsdon By pass junction.
A number of local Residents Associations have taken this up with the local GLA Member and Tfl as we believe it maybe a safety issue. These central lines have also not been replaced at two other locations in London (Wickham Rd, Shirley & Seven Sisters Rd, Haringey). Tfl say these white lines have deliberately not been replaced, as they along with some other local authorities believe motorists travel slower because the white lines are not there. It is a trial. They are monitoring the number of accidents for a 3 year period at these locations.
Does anyone have a view on either replacing or not replacing these central white lines? Please e-
New signs (above) have been erected on the boundaries of the safer Lorry scheme in London i.e. around the Croydon/Surrey border; which launched on 1st September 2015. The Police and the DVSA (Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency) will enforce this scheme to have lorries fitted with mirrors and side guards. The scheme ensures that only lorries with basic safety equipment fitted will be allowed on London's roads. Under London's scheme, most vehicles that are currently exempt from national legislation for basic safety equipment will have to be retrofitted. This includes construction vehicles, which are involved in a disproportionate number of fatal collisions involving cyclists and pedestrians. All vehicles over 3.5 tonnes must comply. Click here for more details on Tfl‘s website.
Surrey County Council are undertaking drainage and re-
(Text below is taken from the SCC website)
Godstone by pass
The works involve:
Updates as at 16 November 2015
Godstone by pass (Between M26 J6 junction and
The 24/7 Northbound closure and the single lane Southbound closure has unfortunately been extended due to the extent of required reconstruction works and the recent heavy rainfall. These works are now expected to be completed and the road closure lifted on Saturday 19 December. The details of the ongoing reconstruction and improvement works from the A25 roundabout to the Godstone interchange are listed above.
After the works have been completed on the Northbound section on Saturday 19 December, the by-
We will then return on Monday 4 January with a 24/7 Southbound closure for approximately four weeks to allow us to complete the remaining reconstruction and improvement works as detailed above. The Northbound carriageway will then remain open for the duration of the scheme. Surrey Highways would like to thank you for bearing with us.
Wapses Lodge Roundabout
The major improvement works here have now been completed.
The major improvement works here have now been completed.
For further information from SCC go to this link
Toll Payment Methods Changed from 30 November 2014
From Sunday 30 November 2014 you are no longer able to pay for the Dartford Crossing at the barriers. This will change when a new scheme called Dart Charge is introduced. Dart Charge replaces cash payments at toll booths and the DART-
Instead of stopping at a barrier to pay the charge at a booth, drivers will need to pay remotely, away from the Crossing. There will be several ways to pay, including online, at one of many retail outlets including those with a Payzone terminal, or by phone.
You will be able to pay the charge before travelling if you know that your route takes you via the crossing or by midnight the following day if your use of the crossing was unplanned or you forgot to pay in advance.
If you already have a DART-
Charges from 30 November 2014
Cars £2.50 -
2 axle goods £3.00
It will continue to be free to use the crossing between 22:00 and 06:00.
How to pay
The cheapest way to pay is using a pre pay account. This saves you up to a third on each crossing. Local residents will need a pre-
Alternatively once Dart Charge is in place you will be able to make one-
Enforcing the charge will be an important part of the Dart Charge scheme. Penalty charges and recovery processes will be used to tackle evasion.
Evasion is likely to involve both UK-
Failure to pay online or by phone by midnight of the following day will, when ‘free-
Further details and how to set up a new account are on this Dart Charge link
The Highways Agency have introduced these HADECS 3 speed cameras on the M25 since May 2014, within their "SMART" motorway system (where the hard shoulder is now used). The other type, more usual on motorways; HADECS 2 cameras are mounted on overhead gantries above each lane on the motorway and are now operational on all parts of the M25.
The HADECS 3 cameras are on the side of the motorway and cover all 4 lanes (usually beside an overhead gantry). Principally they are to enforce the variable speed limits. However there are two in particular on the M25 about 2.5 miles after Clacket Services (anti clockwise) and like wise about 2.5 miles before Clacket on the clockwise section, which are flashing above the 70mph speed limit! Kent Police enforce these cameras on both sides of the motorway, east of Clacket Services.
There is another camera on the anticlockwise stretch about 2.5 miles before Clacket (and 2.5 miles after Clacket on the clockwise side) which is enforced by Surrey Police.
There are none of the white markings on the road to give any warning, as they are not required for this new type of camera. There are also reports of some motorists braking hard when seeing it flash for vehicles in front! They are also quite distracting at night when flashing on the opposite carriageway on this unlit section, as they flash across the motorway.
They are also on other parts of the M25, M1, M4, M11 and M6 in places and will be soon on the M3. Be warned!
“Hunting for coins at the side of the road will soon no longer be necessary for motorists across Croydon as cashless parking is introduced to on-
The Council has started rolling out the RingGo service, launched in its car parks a year ago, to the thousands of parking bays in Croydon’s streets. The roll-
A quick, easy-
Motorists can pre-
• the vehicle’s make, registration number and colour; and
• payment card details.
Alternatively, registration can occur at the time of parking, either by using the RingGo apps or by calling 020 3046 0010. Once registered, RingGo recognises the mobile phone number and retrieves the information previously provided. When paying, the motorist has only to state:
• the location code – each area has its own individual four-
• the length of time they want to park; and
• their payment card’s three-
Motorists can, if they prefer, use the automated phone service when parking by calling the clearly displayed telephone number. RingGo will recognise the mobile phone number and ask the motorist to:
• confirm the vehicle;
• confirm the location; and
• say how long they want to stay; and• provide their payment card’s security code.
Alternatively, the quick and easy RingGo “text to park” option can be used, allowing the nominated vehicle to park all day, simply by sending a message, containing their location’s code, to 81025.
With no ticket needed for display in the windscreen, civil enforcement officers will, with a simple check of registration plate details on an internet-
In Croydon, thousands of off-
Update September 2014 -
From Croydon Council
Croydon Council -
Why is there flooding? The Caterham Bourne and the water table
The Caterham Bourne is located to the south of the borough running along the A22 corridor in Whyteleafe, Kenley & Purley Town Centre, then runs along the Brighton Rd to Waddon and into Broad Green Wards as it makes its way into Wandle Park and then into the River Wandle. Most of it is hidden in underground culverts but it is visible by Bourne Park in Kenley, in front of the Harris Primary Academy Kenley (formerly Roke School) and as the “pond” beside Purley Oaks Recycling Centre. This is the reason that sandbags have now been placed around this “pond” and a number of pumps are in operation there, to try and prevent flooding at this location because water levels are so high. The water is being pumped into the underground culvert that runs along the Brighton Rd towards Croydon.
An interesting history of the Caterham Bourne can be found on the “Bourne Society” website. It is titled “A celebration of the Bourne” (click on the next link at the bottom right side of each of their pages, to continue the story: Link