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UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
One specification of the current Southern Franchise is that London Area Stations are to be staffed from the first to the last train. Riddlesdown Station was classified by Southern as part of the East Grinstead Line for this purpose. Now that it is recognised as a London Area Station, staff will be on site whenever trains are running.
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON TRAIN TIMES (SOUTHERN RAILWAY)
Southern Timetable below is from 13 December 2015 up to 14 May 2016.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern or National Rail. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of this information.
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)):
Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.42(LB), 07.02, 07.11(LB), 07.35, 07.46(LB), 08.04, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, 09.36 then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains at 19.16, 19.46 & 20.16).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 36 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until 20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38.
To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 05.47, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23 and then 53 and 23 mins past hour until 23.23 & 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, 10.23, 10.53 and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.02, 07.18, 07.50, 08.24, 17.13, 17.44, 18.17 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 06.06, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.50, 08.09, 08.41, 09.11, 09.41, 10.10, then 41 and 10 mins past hour until 16.40, 17.10, 17.30, 17.42, 17.58, 18.11, 18.31, 18.43, 19.02, 19.11, then 41 mins and 10 mins past hour until 23.41, 00.10.
Saturdays: 06.41, 07.10 then 41 & 10 mins past hour until 23.41 & 00.07.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour until 21.11, 22.10, 22.57.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information. Please check Southern timetable below:
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
Residents may have read in the press over the last few days that Govia, the parent company of Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern, are wanting to modernise the way they operate approximately 80 of their busier stations for the benefit of passengers, many of whom now buy their tickets online, or use Oyster, contactless and smartcard, rather than a ticket office.
Govia say there are 3 bands of stations where they have identified lack of ticket sales. This principally includes stations where passenger entry and exits are less than 1million passengers per year.
Govia say these 3 bands are:
More details are on this Southern link.
You may have also noticed that Riddlesdown Station isn’t included in the lists of 80 stations!
This is because for the year 2014/15, Riddlesdown had 405,852 passengers who went in and out of this Station. Although has been rising annually, and this figure is well up on the year of 2009/10 of 342,238 passengers, it is well below the limit of 1 million passenger entries and exits per year to stations on the lists.
At the last review of the franchises a few years ago, three Stations; Riddlesdown, Coulsdon South and Sanderstead, were originally not going to have full time staff attendance from first to last train. However, London Travelwatch at the time argued against this and said all three should be included. It was agreed then, that these three stations would be staffed from first to last train but this did not have to be booking office staff. Unfortunately with this new Franchise in 2015, TfL were not allowed to specify it. It is a direct ward franchise specified by Department for Transport (DfT) for a fixed price and all revenue goes back to the DfT. The DfT have specified that all stations with a footfall (entries and exits) of over 1million will be staffed, first train to last train but have not specified how.
It is not clear what the new requirements for Riddlesdown are and it is possible that from the summer 2016, the station will not be staffed from first to last train. It is possible if these proposals go through, Riddlesdown may only be staffed in the mornings.
The DfT and the Mayor of London launched their document and consultation in late January 2016 and it was announced that at the end of current franchises, the London rail network will be handed to Tfl to run like the London Overground. For Southern and Thameslink this will end in 2021. Southeastern will end in 2018.
The East Surrey Transport Committee (ESTC), which the RRA are a member of, will argue that all services in the zones should be included and when a service can’t be separated from other services then it should have the same conditions as those run by TfL in the zones. It will also be stressed that there are possible safety implications, as the platform is rather isolated and not overlooked by properties.
Currently this is a consultation and ESTC and the RRA will put forward the case to have Riddlesdown manned from first to last train. The proposals could be halted, or delayed, if as many people as possible object to proposals in the statutory consultation.
We will update more when we find out further information.
Engineering works planned for the Southern network including Riddlesdown between 4 January and Friday 18 March 2016. More details on this Southern link
Bridge Replacement at Old Lodge Lane, Purley; Aborted
It has now been confirmed by Network Rail and Croydon Council that Bamnuttall (Network Rail’s contractor) had a major issue just before the New Year with high winds (storm Frank) and could not undertake the bridge replacement works. Up until then, the works being carried out were all preparation works for the cut out and replacement of the bridge due to happen over 30 December to 4 January. Unfortunately due to the high winds the lifting operations were unable to be completed. The bridge replacement therefore did not happen. Bamnuttall/Network Rail only had a small window of opportunity with which to replace the bridge and could not just simply extend the works a few days and hope the winds reduced.
The East Surrey Transport Committee have been in contact with Network Rail on 4 January and Network Rail have confirmed that they are looking when to reschedule the replacement of the bridge. ESTC have asked if it can be undertaken without a total blockade of the main London to Gatwick/Brighton railway line and if the work could done in two halves, although this might mean Old Lodge Lane has to be closed twice. The bridge carries 4 tracks of the main line over the road.
Network Rail will advise in due course, when and how they are going to carry out the works. They have confirmed the work on the points and track re-
Summary about redevelopment until 2018
From 5 January 2015, Southern's access into London Bridge reduces from six to three tracks. As a result, there will be changes to Southern services from that date.
From 12th January 2015 until August 2016, Southeastern services to and from Charing Cross will not call at London Bridge. Southern passengers who normally use Southeastern services to Charing Cross and Waterloo East from London Bridge can take Southern services to Clapham Junction and change to South West Trains services to Waterloo for Waterloo East and Southeastern services from Waterloo East.
Southern passengers who normally change at London Bridge for Charing Cross services will be able to use their London Terminals Rail ticket on the following Underground and bus routes without being charged. Further details on this link to Southern Railway.
December 2014 to January 2018 -
From “26 July 2015, Gatwick Express and Southern joined Great Northern and Thameslink to operate under one company, Govia Thameslink Railway.
The people and staff you deal with hasn’t changed and the brands you’re familiar with of Southern, Gatwick Express, Thameslink and Great Northern will stay the same.
In fact, please rest assured: you won’t have to do anything different to continue travelling with us – tickets, stations and trains do not suddenly change on day one.” Further information on this link to Southern Railway
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Changes to train fares and Oyster/Contactless from 4 January 2016.
Oyster and contactless can now be used at stations from Riddlesdown (change at East Croydon), Purley and East Croydon to Gatwick airport (including Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill and Merstham) as well as within virtually all stations in London. Further details on this Tfl link
However groups of three or more people travelling together may still find it cheaper to buy a paper ticket. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now travel free on National Rail in the zones as they do on the buses and Underground. Unaccompanied children will still need to have an appropriate Oystercard or buy a paper ticket. Tfl link
Other children can also travel free and others at a discount with an Oyster Zip card. For information on how to apply for an Oyster Zip card for children Tfl link
Since 16 September 2014 you'll also be able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London. Further details on this Tfl link
What is a contactless payment card?
Contactless payment cards are debit, credit, charge or pre-
If you've got a contactless payment card but haven't used it yet, you might need to make a chip and PIN payment elsewhere before using it for contactless payments (including for travel).
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Pensioners Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age (until 2010 the qualifying age was 60). At present it is 61 but will rise to 62 in 2013 (see web site for details of eligibility).
Validity London :
Outside London :
More information http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-
New 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The Mayor Boris Johnson has announced that he will introduce a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1st November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass except that it will not be valid buses outside London except for London routes such as 166 and 405. Further details from the Tfl website
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
April 2014 by John Rapp
East Croydon, Victoria, and London Bridge, our three main destination stations, continue to have a building site feel. While 2018 is the target year for completion of the works in the last two stations, I do not have a date for East Croydon’s completion, where improvement tasks start and end each month. The latest task is the installation of middle handrails for bridge stairs to platforms three and four & five and six, with measurements being taken on 2nd April. The other set of stairs, which is temporary and narrower, will not receive a centre handrail because it is planned that at some time in the future platforms one and two will be moved to give space (extra land need is secured) for two further platforms.
We continue to have dialogue regarding the 412 bus service with Transport for London (which arranges the provision of bus services using bus operators) and Arriva the operator of the 412 service. I am hoping to receive factual information -
Residents who use the A22, Godstone Rd between the St James' Rd junction and the Secom building near the Harris Primary Kenley School (Roke), may have noticed the lack of central white lines on this recently resurfaced section of road – (see photos below from Google street view, before and after).
These central white lines have also not been replaced on the Brighton Rd, (A23) between the Old Lodge Lane junction and the Coulsdon By pass junction.
A number of local Residents Associations have taken this up with the local GLA Member and Tfl as we believe it maybe a safety issue. These central lines have also not been replaced at two other locations in London (Wickham Rd, Shirley & Seven Sisters Rd, Haringey). Tfl say these white lines have deliberately not been replaced, as they along with some other local authorities believe motorists travel slower because the white lines are not there. It is a trial. They are monitoring the number of accidents for a 3 year period at these locations.
Does anyone have a view on either replacing or not replacing these central white lines? Please e-
Surrey County Council are undertaking drainage and re-
Information below taken from Surrey County Council website 29/1/16
Godstone by pass
Alternative routes for motorists
Given the current delays experienced on the A22 around Junction 6 of the M25, motorists may wish to consider the following alternative routes until the A22 Godstone by-
Works updates (as of 5 February 2016)
We have encountered another issue with the previous construction of the carriageway where parts of the concrete were not reinforced and were laid on top of a deep base made up of clay and quarried sand. This has subsequently caused the concrete to crack and deteriorate to a fine powder and now means additional deep reconstruction of the road base is required.
Due to the extent of these unforeseen reconstruction works, we are currently unable to guarantee a finish date for these works; however, weather permitting, we expect all of our works to be completed no later than 28 February. Once the additional reconstruction and subsequent resurfacing elements of our works are completed, we hope to undertake the remaining landscaping works on the Southbound carriageway verges under a 24/7 Southbound single lane closure only.
As a safety measure, the 24/7 Northbound single lane closure will remain in place for the duration of our works; however, if possible, the length of this lane closure may be altered to reduce disruption to the flow of traffic as our works come to an end.
We unfortunately cannot work during rain or when rain is forecast, or when air temperatures significantly drop. There have been periods during the day and night when weather has dictated that we stop our works and we anticipate that this may continue. We will continue to monitor the forecast on an hourly basis each day to determine whether it is suitable for us to lay the necessary materials; however despite occasions where we have not been able to work, we have been able to get back on track and make good progress by increasing the amount of work completed during the other shifts.
We will be working 24/7 in day and night shifts to complete these works, with a gap between shifts in the evenings between 6pm and 8pm. The night time shift is variable to suit the type of work being carried out. For example, it is not possible to safely carry out excavation work during the night time shift.
We have now placed three advanced warning signs along the A22 to advise road users of congestion ahead and the locations are as follows:
Surrey Highways would like to thank you for bearing with us.
These works involve:
The reason for these works:
The major improvement works here have now been completed.”
For further information from SCC go to this link
Toll Payment Methods Changed from 30 November 2014
From Sunday 30 November 2014 you are no longer able to pay for the Dartford Crossing at the barriers. This will change when a new scheme called Dart Charge is introduced. Dart Charge replaces cash payments at toll booths and the DART-
Instead of stopping at a barrier to pay the charge at a booth, drivers will need to pay remotely, away from the Crossing. There will be several ways to pay, including online, at one of many retail outlets including those with a Payzone terminal, or by phone.
You will be able to pay the charge before travelling if you know that your route takes you via the crossing or by midnight the following day if your use of the crossing was unplanned or you forgot to pay in advance.
If you already have a DART-
Charges from 30 November 2014
Cars £2.50 -
2 axle goods £3.00
It will continue to be free to use the crossing between 22:00 and 06:00.
How to pay
The cheapest way to pay is using a pre pay account. This saves you up to a third on each crossing. Local residents will need a pre-
Alternatively once Dart Charge is in place you will be able to make one-
Enforcing the charge will be an important part of the Dart Charge scheme. Penalty charges and recovery processes will be used to tackle evasion.
Evasion is likely to involve both UK-
Failure to pay online or by phone by midnight of the following day will, when ‘free-
Further details and how to set up a new account are on this Dart Charge link
The Highways Agency have introduced these HADECS 3 speed cameras on the M25 since May 2014, within their "SMART" motorway system (where the hard shoulder is now used). The other type, more usual on motorways; HADECS 2 cameras are mounted on overhead gantries above each lane on the motorway and are now operational on all parts of the M25.
The HADECS 3 cameras are on the side of the motorway and cover all 4 lanes (usually beside an overhead gantry). Principally they are to enforce the variable speed limits. However there are two in particular on the M25 about 2.5 miles after Clacket Services (anti clockwise) and like wise about 2.5 miles before Clacket on the clockwise section, which are flashing above the 70mph speed limit! Kent Police enforce these cameras on both sides of the motorway, east of Clacket Services.
There is another camera on the anticlockwise stretch about 2.5 miles before Clacket (and 2.5 miles after Clacket on the clockwise side) which is enforced by Surrey Police.
There are none of the white markings on the road to give any warning, as they are not required for this new type of camera. There are also reports of some motorists braking hard when seeing it flash for vehicles in front! They are also quite distracting at night when flashing on the opposite carriageway on this unlit section, as they flash across the motorway.
They are also on other parts of the M25, M1, M4, M11 and M6 in places and will be soon on the M3. Be warned!
“Hunting for coins at the side of the road will soon no longer be necessary for motorists across Croydon as cashless parking is introduced to on-
The Council has started rolling out the RingGo service, launched in its car parks a year ago, to the thousands of parking bays in Croydon’s streets. The roll-
A quick, easy-
Motorists can pre-
• the vehicle’s make, registration number and colour; and
• payment card details.
Alternatively, registration can occur at the time of parking, either by using the RingGo apps or by calling 020 3046 0010. Once registered, RingGo recognises the mobile phone number and retrieves the information previously provided. When paying, the motorist has only to state:
• the location code – each area has its own individual four-
• the length of time they want to park; and
• their payment card’s three-
Motorists can, if they prefer, use the automated phone service when parking by calling the clearly displayed telephone number. RingGo will recognise the mobile phone number and ask the motorist to:
• confirm the vehicle;
• confirm the location; and
• say how long they want to stay; and• provide their payment card’s security code.
Alternatively, the quick and easy RingGo “text to park” option can be used, allowing the nominated vehicle to park all day, simply by sending a message, containing their location’s code, to 81025.
With no ticket needed for display in the windscreen, civil enforcement officers will, with a simple check of registration plate details on an internet-
In Croydon, thousands of off-
An increase in charges for longer stay parking will come into force across the Borough from 1 February 2016.
From this date, motorists parking for more than an hour in many areas will see increases of up to 50 per cent on some hourly prices, although stays of less than an hour will become cheaper or free in some parts. The Council estimates the changes could raise an extra £1m in revenue. The new charges can be viewed on this link
The Conservatives have accused Labour of breaking their 2014 manifesto pledge to offer one hour free parking in the borough’s district centres, like Coulsdon. Labour say the parking charges are now a lot more consistent and encourage more turnover, which means more spaces are available.
Update September 2014 -
From Croydon Council
Croydon Council -
Why is there flooding? The Caterham Bourne and the water table
The Caterham Bourne is located to the south of the borough running along the A22 corridor in Whyteleafe, Kenley & Purley Town Centre, then runs along the Brighton Rd to Waddon and into Broad Green Wards as it makes its way into Wandle Park and then into the River Wandle. Most of it is hidden in underground culverts but it is visible by Bourne Park in Kenley, in front of the Harris Primary Academy Kenley (formerly Roke School) and as the “pond” beside Purley Oaks Recycling Centre. This is the reason that sandbags have now been placed around this “pond” and a number of pumps are in operation there, to try and prevent flooding at this location because water levels are so high. The water is being pumped into the underground culvert that runs along the Brighton Rd towards Croydon.
An interesting history of the Caterham Bourne can be found on the “Bourne Society” website. It is titled “A celebration of the Bourne” (click on the next link at the bottom right side of each of their pages, to continue the story: Link