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PUBLIC TRANSPORT INFORMATION AND REPORTS
UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES.
Industrial action by the RMT union (conductors) and Aslef (drivers) for Southern Rail and Gatwick Express -
Strike dates -
Revised strikes dates:
6 December to 8 December (RMT)
13 to 14 December (Aslef)
16 December (Aslef & RMT)
19 to 20 December (RMT)
31 December to 2 January 2017 (RMT)
9 to 14 January (Aslef & RMT)
Train drivers will also suspend overtime working.
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON TRAIN TIMES (SOUTHERN RAILWAY)
Southern Timetable below is from 15 May 2016 up to 10 December 2016. There are also no changes to this timetable from 11 December to 20 May 2017
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern or National Rail. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of this information.
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)):
Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.42(LB), 07.02, 07.11(LB), 07.35, 07.46(LB), 08.04, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, 09.36 then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains at 19.16, 19.46 & 20.16).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 36 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until 20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38.
To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 05.47, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23, 09.54 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.23 & 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, 10.23, 10.53 and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.03, 07.18, 07.50, 08.24, 17.13, 17.44, 18.17 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 06.06, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.50, 08.09, 08.41, 09.11, 09.41, 10.11, then 41 and 10 mins past hour until 16.40, 17.10, 17.30, 17.42, 17.58, 18.11, 18.31, 18.43, 19.02, 19.11, then 41 mins and 10 mins past hour until 23.41, 00.16.
Saturdays: 06.41, 07.10 then 41 & 10 mins past hour until 23.41 & 00.07.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour until 21.11, 22.10, 22.57.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information. Please check Southern timetable below:
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
Network Rail is currently replacing the railway bridge over Old Lodge Lane, Purley by Reedham Station. Last December/January’s attempt was aborted because of strong winds and then lack of time.
Old Lodge Lane is now closed for all road traffic at the rail bridge by Reedham Station, from Monday 21 November 2016 until 9 January 2017. This will probably have little effect on us here in Riddlesdown but other roads like Godstone Rd, Brighton Rd, Purley Cross and Purley Way and maybe Downs Court Rd heading into Purley, will probably be busier at peak times. There were temporary traffic lights on the Brighton Rd at the junction of Stoats Ness Rd (B2030) but these were removed on 23/11/16. Traffic is also expected to be worse in this vicinity on Southern Rail conductor strike days. Buses that use the Old Lodge Lane route are now on diversion via Higher Drive, Foxley Hill Rd and Godstone Rd.
Because of 24 hour working, there will be some disruption to rail services between Purley & Redhill from 22.00 hrs on Friday 2 December until 06.00hrs on Monday 5 December. Buses will replace some train services.
There will again be 24 hour working on the lines from 21.00 hrs on 24 December until 06.00 hrs on 27 December. However the rail network is normally closed during this period, so services should not be affected!
Details of all upcoming engineering works can be found on this Southern Rail link
Further to the post on 6 February below (about railway ticket office closures and staff acting as "hosts" at some stations), after protests by members of the public, Stakeholders, MPs, London Assembly Members, and the RMT Union; the London Travelwatch Board felt that it was not able to support the proposals at the moment for changes to ticket sales at stations.
London TravelWatch will now formally confirm the decision made by their Board, to GTR (copied to the Department for Transport). They will now discuss the next steps with GTR. (GTR is Govia Thameslink Railway which Southern Railway is part of this group).
The issue has probably not gone away as passengers are now using ticket offices less (season tickets, oyster and contactless now being the main forms of payment), however, hopefully there is now the opportunity for a slower implementation with proper alternatives to the human issued ticket in place first.
Further information on this London Travelwatch link
Summary about redevelopment until 2018
December 2014 to January 2018 -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
The RRA have been made aware of the London Bus Users’ Online Community, an initiative set up last year by London TravelWatch that aims to give bus passengers a stronger voice. In view of the recent poor performance of our 412 bus service (or other routes), residents may want to voice their concerns?! If you want to find out more please follow this link.
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Changes to train fares and Oyster/Contactless from 4 January 2016.
Oyster and contactless can now be used at stations from Riddlesdown (change at East Croydon), Purley and East Croydon to Gatwick airport (including Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill and Merstham) as well as within virtually all stations in London. Further details on this Tfl link
However groups of three or more people travelling together may still find it cheaper to buy a paper ticket. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now travel free on National Rail in the zones as they do on the buses and Underground. Unaccompanied children will still need to have an appropriate Oystercard or buy a paper ticket. Tfl link
Other children can also travel free and others at a discount with an Oyster Zip card. For information on how to apply for an Oyster Zip card for children Tfl link
Since 16 September 2014 you'll also be able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London. Further details on this Tfl link
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Pensioners Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age (until 2010 the qualifying age was 60). At present it is 61 but will rise to 62 in 2013 (see web site for details of eligibility).
Validity London :
Outside London :
More information http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-
New 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1st November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass except that it will not be valid buses outside London except for London routes such as 166 and 405. Further details from the Tfl website
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
Winter 2016 by John Rapp
412 Bus Service
Recently, it has seemed that at any social gathering in Riddlesdown, our currently poor bus service is mentioned. I can report that London Buses (part of TfL) are investigating the 412 route. They have learned that it is not an end-
I am continuing to monitor the train service given to us.
Post Note 4/4/16
As London Buses (Arriva) have given not given a satisfactory response to the complaints from the RRA about the recent poor 412 bus service, John Rapp has now taken this up with Croydon South MP, Chris Philp, and GLA Member Steve O’Connell. These complaints range from buses running well behind schedule and short stopping to their final destination, i.e turning of buses (towards West Croydon) at South Croydon (Swan and Sugarloaf) and Croydon Town Centre (Croydon Library) and towards Purley Hospital at Sanderstead Church / Limpsfield Rd roundabout. Residents complaints, which are mainly about the morning and afternoon peak services, have also been when there are no buses (and are time tabled to be around 15 minutes apart), they are then travelling together. There has also been confusion as to which bus stops to use in central Croydon opposite the Whitgift Centre because of recent road works.
Yet another road traffic collision occurred on 16 November at 6.30am, in Mitchley Ave on the bend with Rectory Park
It was raining again at the time and most incidents seem to occur here, when raining. Yet again a vehicle has come down the hill of Rectory Park and lost control on the exit and taken out the lamp column (for the second time in 3 months) by the woodland about 75 metres after the bend.
Photograph courtesy of Helen Leonard
Following this latest accident, the RRA have had extensive correspondence with two Council Officers since (copying in local Councillors and Cllr Stuart King the Labour Cabinet member responsible for Transport and Environment and Riddlesdown Collegiate). Cllr King has responded that he will take this up with the Director of Streets at his next briefing with him.
The RRA made a number of suggestions to Officers, which included improving the road signage, laying an anti skid road surface just before, on the bend and just after, installing an Armco barrier to protect pedestrians and additional chevron boards. Repositioning the lamp column damaged twice now, and additional road markings were another request. We also pointed about a number of other road defects locally.
The Council Officers have rejected virtually all our suggestions! They did say they have made a number of additional safety measures at this bend over the years.
However, Officers have said they will look to install another “SLOW” road marking just before the bend, and installing white marked dragons teeth on the road, to highlight the danger ahead, look at the signage, and check on the condition of the road markings. Something, but overall not a good result and the RRA will keep pressing the Council on this. In the meantime, if any other further incidents occur here, please post it on our Facebook page and with photos if possible (or e-
Regarding the speed camera further along in Mitchley Ave (near the shops) we have been told this is to be replaced soon. Safety cameras are controlled and maintained by the London Safety Camera Partnership (LSCP), which is made up of Transport for London (TfL), the Metropolitan Police and Her Majesty’s Courts Service (HMCS). The LSCP have informed Officers that the safety (speed) camera was removed following damage caused by vandalism, as well as all the road speed sensors being removed when the section of road by the camera was re-
We are also told the Council have applied to Tfl for funding to re-
Godstone Rd (A22) & Brighton Rd Coulsdon (A23)
For those who use the A22, Godstone Rd between the St James' Rd junction and the Secom building near the Harris Primary Kenley School (Roke), you may have noticed the lack of central white lines on this recently resurfaced section of road – (see photos below from Google street view, before and after).
These central white lines have also not been replaced on the Brighton Rd, (A23) between the Old Lodge Lane junction and the Coulsdon By pass junction.
A number of local Residents Associations have taken this up with the local GLA Member and Tfl as we believe it maybe a safety issue. These central lines have also not been replaced at two other locations in London (Wickham Rd, Shirley & Seven Sisters Rd, Haringey). Tfl say these white lines have deliberately not been replaced, as they along with some other local authorities believe motorists travel slower because the white lines are not there. It is a trial. They are monitoring the number of accidents for a 3 year period at these locations.
Does anyone have a view on either replacing or not replacing these central white lines? Please e-
The Highways Agency have introduced these HADECS 3 speed cameras on the M25 since May 2014, within their "SMART" motorway system (where the hard shoulder is now used). The other type, more usual on motorways; HADECS 2 cameras are mounted on overhead gantries above each lane on the motorway and are now operational on all parts of the M25.
The HADECS 3 cameras are on the side of the motorway and cover all 4 lanes (usually beside an overhead gantry). Principally they are to enforce the variable speed limits. However there are two in particular on the M25 about 2.5 miles after Clacket Services (anti clockwise) and like wise about 2.5 miles before Clacket on the clockwise section, which are flashing above the 70mph speed limit! Kent Police enforce these cameras on both sides of the motorway, east of Clacket Services.
There is another camera on the anticlockwise stretch about 2.5 miles before Clacket (and 2.5 miles after Clacket on the clockwise side) which is enforced by Surrey Police.
There are none of the white markings on the road to give any warning, as they are not required for this new type of camera. There are also reports of some motorists braking hard when seeing it flash for vehicles in front! They are also quite distracting at night when flashing on the opposite carriageway on this unlit section, as they flash across the motorway.
They are also now on other parts of the M25, M1, M4, M11 and M6 in places and will be soon on the M3. Be warned!