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ABOUT RIDDLESDOWN
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RIDDLESDOWN STATION IS IN LONDON TRAVELCARD ZONE 6. UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES 1 to 6.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
National Rail Key; RDD -
Timetables from the Southern Railway website -
The timetable shown below is from Sunday 10 December 2023
These are direct trains only without any changes.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, TfL or National Rail.
The times shown below are in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the information below.
Please check before travelling with the Southern Railway and/or National Rail websites.
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services to London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.35, 07.06, 07.14(TL to LBG STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.44(TL to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.14(TL to LBG STP, BDM), 08.36, 09.06, 09.36, 09.44 (TL to LBG only) 10.06, 10.36, 11.06, 11.36, 12.36, 13.36, 14.36, 15.36, 16.06, 16.36, 17.06, 17.36, 18.06, 18.36, 19.06, 19.36, 20.06, 20.36, 21.06, 21.36, 22.36, 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, 09.42, 10.42 and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 20.12, then 20.42, .21.42, 22.42, 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
Southern Railway services from London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), 09.50(10.18), 10.50(11.18), 11.50(12.18), 12.50(13.18), 13.50(14.18), 14.20(14.48), 14.50(15.18), 15.20(15.48), 15.50(16.18), 16.20(16.48), 16.50(17.18), 17.20(17.48), 17.50(18.18), 18.20(18.48), 18.50(19.18), 19.20(19.48), 19.50(20.18), 20.50(21.18), 21.50(22.18), 22.20(22.48), 22.50(23.18) 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.24 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48) and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 10.21(10.47), 10.51(11.17) and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 19.51 (20.17), 20.51(21.17), 21.51(22.17), 22.51(23.17).
Thameslink (TL) services from Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only:15.59 (BDM) at LBG 17.09(17.34); 16.29(BDM) at LBG 17.39(18.04); 16.59.00(BDM) at LBG 18.09(18.34).
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services from East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), 08.10(18), 08.40(49), 09.10(18), 10.10(18), 11.10(18), 12.10(18), 13.10(18), 14.10(18), 14.40(48), 15.10(18), 15.40(48), 16.10(18), 16.40(48), 17.10(18), 17.24(34-
Saturdays: 06.40(48), 07.10(18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(23).
Sundays: 08.09(17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), 10.39(47) and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 13.12(20), 13.39(47), 14.09(17), 14.39(14), 15.09(17), 15.39(47), 16.12(20), 16.39(47), 17.12(20), 17.39(47), 18.09(17), 18.39(47), 19.09(17) 19.39(47), 20.09(17), 21.09(17), 22.09(17), 23.09(17).
Rail engineering works on the Riddlesdown (RDD) line
Updated 23/4/24
There are planned engineering works affecting the East Grinstead/Riddlesdown line for Sunday 19 May 2024. For more information, please click/tap on the relevant date on the link engineering works
Bus Service
When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will run to/from Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers using Riddlesdown Station will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop -
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Passengers using Sanderstead Station should use the local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road/Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but this ceased circa 2019 and then GTR starting using the 412/403 bus services as an alternative rail replacement service .
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
www.southernrailway.com/travel-
FOR FULL TIMETABLES FOLLOW THESE LINKS
The current Riddlesdown Southern Railway
and Thameslink train timetables
(Scroll down to the Uckfield and East Grinstead to London link -
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
To check for Engineering Works on Southern
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway was connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway. Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
The main Bluebell Railway website
‘Tornado’ Steam Train Passes Through Riddlesdown -
Off-
New 4/3/24
TfL are running a trial every Friday, from 8 March until 31 May 2024 inclusive, that pay as you go single fares will be off-
During the trial, holders of 60+ London Oyster photocard and Older Person's Freedom Passes will be able to travel free between 04:30 and 09:00 on rail and bus services in London on Fridays.
The trial only applies to pay as you go single fares and daily caps when using contactless or an Oyster card.
For the full T&C's, exclusions and restrictions, go to this TfL link
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Updated 11/4/23
The 412 Bus Route
From Croydon, the 412 starts in Park Street, Croydon and then travels via Fell Rd, around the Fairfield roundabout, onto the flyover, then down the Croydon Flyover slip road into High Street, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, Pampisford Rd & ends on Brighton Rd (High Street) opposite the Purley Hospital.
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and Park Street.
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
Frequency (approximately)
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
359 Bus route
From Purley -
The 359 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Tfl -
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
Website: www.arrivalondon.com/
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
TfL INFORMATION ON FARES AND TICKETS IN LONDON
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
The ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the station manager required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is part time and mainly open weekday and Saturday mornings only. Click on the link above for ticket information and methods of payment. Riddlesdown has two Ticket Machines, one on each platform and a card reader on both platforms.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
- You can use your pass on most journeys across London but there are a few exceptions to when and where you can use your card. Further details
More information and how to apply;
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard commenced on 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
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Updated 23/12/21
Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork
Brighton Rd Cycle Corridor -
Updated 5/4/23
Works have been ongoing over the last 9 months or so, and the Council are now bringing in new mandatory cycle lanes, junction layout changes (Riddlesdown Rd & Sanderstead Rd), parking restrictions etc on the Brighton Rd from Bartlett Street, S. Croydon, through to Purley town centre.
The RRA have been in correspondence with the Council's Highways Officers since 5 Sept 2022 to establish some points with the scheme and raise some concerns. In that time whilst our correspondence has been acknowledged, we have not received a substantive response from officers, so we have now escalated this to the Chief Executive.
Some residents may have noticed that from 23 March, bollards are now being fixed to protect the cycle lanes and we know from previous comments on our Facebook page that this is not popular with cyclists. However, a few days later the Council removed some of the bollards in various locations but kept the rubber bases in place!
Apparently our bankrupt Council are being partly funded from TfL with this cycle corridor scheme -
The experimental scheme is now 'live' commencing on 3 April 2023 and residents then have 6 months to raise comments/concerns (or praise) for this scheme with the Council. It will run until 3 October 2023 -
More details are on this link to the Council's web page (note; the photo they have used on the link is out of date, because the yellow box hatching in front of Capella Ct has now been removed!). Click again on the link in the article to go to the Council’s web page and drawings etc.
M25 between Junctions 5 and 6 -
New 30/4/24
For those residents who use the M25 between junctions 5 and 6 (in both directions) there is now a 50 mph speed limit with average speed cameras. Lane 1 in both directions is closed.
This work is to install new and more emergency refuge areas on this section of the motorway (NEAR). The works are currently causing long delays particularly at peak times, and also on the M26 westbound.
The work is scheduled to be ongoing until 31 March 2025.
Riddlesdown Collegiate -
Updated 10/5/24
The RRA have been advised that Croydon Council will be starting an informal consultation, which will run from Wednesday 8th May until Tuesday 28th May 2024 (revised dates) about a proposal to install a healthy School Street Zone for streets in and near to Riddlesdown Collegiate.
The streets included in the proposed Zone will be; Dunmail Drive (adopted end), Honister Heights, Grisedale Gardens, Grisedale Close, Derwent Drive, Eskdale Gardens and part of Ingleboro Drive up to the Buttermere Gardens junction from the Eskdale Gardens junction.
Ltters have been sent to residents and businesses within 250 metres of the Zone on Friday 3 May, inviting everyone to give their views on the proposals, via the Council’s Get Involved page (link). The letters should be delivered this week. The Collegiate will be sending out links to the survey to parents as well.
Letter in pdf Plan in pdf Leaflet in pdf
The results of the consultation and recommendations will be presented at the July Cabinet meeting. If a decision is made by Cabinet to proceed with some, or all of the proposals, the Council will be carrying out the statutory consultation in August/September with implementation during the Autumn term.
The hours of operation of the school street will be Monday – Friday 8am – 9:30am and 2pm – 4pm and are applicable during term time only (although the notice boards erected in other school areas don't actually say that).
This will also affect those visitors who park in these streets for visiting Riddlesdown Open Space and they will not be able to travel in these streets during the allocated times.
Apparently all deliveries to residents, like Amazon and food deliveries etc living within the Zone are not allowed in, during the allocated times and will have to park outside the Zone, or not deliver at the restricted times? Or enter into the Zone and get a fine!
To make comments by 28 May 2024, go to the link below and make sure to scroll down to the correct school; https://www.getinvolved.croydon.gov.uk/healthyschoolstreets
There is more information about current School Zones and permits etc, on this Council Link: https://www.croydon.gov.uk/healthy-