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Flooding and Street Cleaning
Update 23/3/16 -
Although it occurred a number of months ago, the RRA did ask in August last year, whether anyone had photos of the flooding in Lower Barn Rd by the Station.
We have now managed to obtain some photos which showed the extensive flooding on 24 August 2015. Most people who have already seen them, comment that this is the worst flooding in memory at this location. Flooding occurs reasonably frequently here.
The RRA have been raising with the Council for many years now about the flooding at this location and we have passed these photos onto the Council and Councillors.
In the RRA's recent correspondence to the Council we have pointed out the grey Network Rail high voltage electrical box, is partly flooded. The Police closed the road because they were afraid a member of the public would get electrocuted! We told Network Rail in 2011 this would happen when they located the box by the road!
Interestingly at the Public Inquiry which the Planning Inspector held for the flats development in 2008 (now called Riddleah Court), the Inquiry was told that flooding on this scale would not happen!
The RRA believes the Council's Planning Department and the Planning Inspector, now have a lot of questions to answer! The application was refused by the Planning Committee but overturned by the Planning Inspector. The RRA did say then, flooding would continue to occur!
The RRA believe this flooding is now worse because the land levels within the new flats development have been raised for the bicycle shed and the car park. There is now also a small retaining wall at the back edge of the footpath which acts like a dam. Previously before this development was built, any high flood water that accrued at this point was allowed to overflow on to the woodland. This is now not happening. The RRA believe the Council and the developer should have taken this into account!
The RRA are now asking the Council going what they are going to do to stop any further deep flooding. It is a major inconvenience to commuters using the station and to residents wishing to get to the shops, not to mention the safety of the public, with Network Rail’s high voltage electrical box which floods.
We keep telling the Council that road gullies and soakaways as far away as Mitchley Hill, Derwent Drive, and Ingleboro Drive need to be regularly kept clear because this location is the low point for a number of square miles, if rainwater is not dispersed at higher levels.
We shall see what the Council do, if anything!
The Three Photos below taken on 24 August 2015 and kindly supplied
by Darren Wittwer
Update 5/9/15 -
The heavy rain in the area on 24 August 2015, which caused localised flooding, resulting in a number of problems, particularly in Lower Barn Rd under the railway bridge (where the Police closed the road), Mitchley Ave by the zebra crossing and at the bottom of Copthorne Rise & Brancaster Lane near to the Purley Bury Ave junction, we have again raised the matter with the Director of Streets at Croydon Council about the lack of street cleaning and gully cleansing, particularly in streets which are sited above these low points. This is something the RRA have raised with the Council for many years now, in view of the continuous flooding in Lower Barn Rd under the railway bridge.
We have since learnt that the police closed Lower Barn Rd because they were concerned about possible electrocution from Network Rail’s electricity box which is sited beside the roadway on the north east corner of the bridge. A risk of flood water getting into this box, was something we raised with Network Rail in 2011 and we did warn them that this box was liable to be flooded. The RRA were under the impression that Network Rail were going to move it!
We have pointed out to the Council that since the implementation of the "village system" in early June, the road sweeping vehicle that undertook a 4 weekly clearance of the gutters on the streets in Riddlesdown has not been seen since the introduction of this new "village system". It is not really the job of residents to keep the roads, footways, road gullies grids and gutters clean although we do know many residents do litter pick in the area. We will report back when we get a response from the Council.
Flooding details and pictures on this link to the Croydon Advertiser
If anyone has any photos of the flooding in the area on Monday, particularly in Lower Barn Rd under the railway bridge and in Mitchley Ave, could they please e-
RRA Meet With Councillors and Officers
About Drainage, Litter and Leaves on our Streets
Update 4 September 2013 by Phil Thomas
On behalf of the RRA, I have been complaining for many years now to the Council and our Purley & Sanderstead Ward Councillors about the general untidy state of the area and flooding in Riddlesdown. I firmly believe that all local and river authorities have a lot to answer for by not regularly cleaning and maintaining the surface water system on the roads and insufficient dredging of rivers. It is part of the reason why there is so much flooding in this country now!
Following the torrential hailstorm on Christmas Day 2012, debris which was mainly on the roads under parked vehicles was washed down towards many gullies from the torrential rain and flooding again occurred in a number of locations. Because of this, I again contacted Sanderstead and Purley Ward Councillors and on 3 January I met in Lower Barn Rd with my namesake, Councillor Phil Thomas (Cabinet Member for Highways & Environmental Services) and Councillor Tim Pollard (Deputy Leader of the Council and Sanderstead Ward Councillor), plus two Council Officers. At this meeting I handed to the Council representatives, a long list of many highway defects (road & footway potholes), blocked drainage and gullies and grass verge damage to a number of streets and public footpaths in our area. I am pleased to report that the Council have responded and accepted many of these requests and indeed many items have now been undertaken by them or they promise works will be undertaken in the new financial year from April. This is indeed a good result and we hope the Council understand our concerns and undertake regular street maintenance without being nagged by us. However they have not accepted all of the requests. The RRA responded further on 5 September 2013 and await a further response.
We have had a situation for many years now that virtually no street cleaning takes place to footways and leaves, litter and debris was evident in a number of streets in our area but it was particularly bad on footways and roads near to the Station where commuter parking is a problem. The Council seem to think that sending a mechanical sweeper around our streets and cleaning the gutters only, is sufficient! Gutters are not the only place where litter and debris occurs! I did also advise them that Veolia, the Council’s contractor, do send mechanical sweepers around our streets; usually monthly but unfortunately this is mid-
Footway sweeping does not appear to be undertaken on a regular basis and is only undertaken when the RRA complain! Some parts of Riddlesdown, in particular streets close to the Station are usually pretty littered together with areas near to Riddlesdown Collegiate. In our opinion Riddlesdown appears to be neglected for footway cleaning!! What annoys me intensely is that streets in residential parts of Thornton Heath have street cleaning undertaken by hand (a man and a barrow) and also Mechanical Street cleaning, daily!! Why are these streets cleaned so frequently, whereas we, in this part of the Borough, rarely see any hand street cleaning?!
However, hopefully, from subsequent appearances, this might have now changed as hand sweeping does seem to be occurring, in the streets where parking is a problem but we will be watching the situation very carefully!
Interestingly the Council are currently advertising a “Keep it Clean” promotion which is meant, with the publics’ help, to make our streets cleaner! To quote their website, “take personal responsibility to help to keep your streets clean and reduce litter. You can help by using the litter bins provided; there are approximately 1,500 litter bins in Croydon. Use the special bins for all smoking-
We have also raised with the Council about the extensive litter on footways through the woodland near to Riddlesdown Collegiate mainly in the unmade section of Dunmail Drive and the Public Footpath by the houses in Mitchley Hill and we have asked that something is done about it.
Another point that we have raised with them, is the ever increasing number of plastic bottles that are now appearing on the streets, particularly just before the green bin, recycling days. It would appear that many residents are leaving out the green recycling bins without the lids. If it is windy, these plastic bottles do blow out of the bins and then roll around onto the streets and are not picked up by Veolia staff. However, it would be helpful if residents would ensure that the bins, when left out on the street or in the front of properties have their lids on. If your bin doesn’t have a lid, or you require some more bins, then please contact the Council, either through their website Link or telephone them on 020 8726 6200 to request free replacements.
Also a link to Croydon Council’s website for residents to report any Highway defect -
Examples below of what happens when the Council don’t keep gullies in many streets clear of debris. Flooding under the railway bridge 13 July 2007. Photo taken and kindly supplied by Alan Barnes
Photo below taken November 2009 (although not as severe as July 2007). Photograph taken and kindly supplied by Nick Bygrave